Category Archives: Child Photography

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Saturday, January 5, 2019

Advantages of New Gear & Session with Miss Bella

The last blog entry I wrote was about gear – you can find it here. It was a dilemma and a tough one. New camera, new technology – we’ve had to consider the workflow, the price, the need vs want, the advantages vs disadvantages, etc etc. After nearly a month of putting Nikon Z 6…

Wednesday, August 22, 2018

Another moment from the heart… special needs

October 2nd 1995, is an interesting date in my life (Joseph), it was the first time I attended a wedding not as a guest but as a vendor. I was only 15 yrs old at that time and I was hired as a videographer’s assistant. Fast fwd to 2018, between assisting videography, eventually becoming one,…

Monday, July 2, 2018

NYC Newborn Photographer | Harry Potter Themed Newborn Session

Customized Newborn Session… that’s always the goal for all of our sessions. This was no exception. I’ll tell ya’ the truth, I’m familiar with Harry Potter but between running the business and having four kids, I’ve never had an opportunity to read any of the Harry Potter books nor watch any of the movies. Therefore,…

Monday, June 25, 2018

Graduation & Dancer Portrait Session | NYC Portrait Photographers

A few weeks ago, we had a pleasure of working with Miss Sophia. Sophia came to us with her mom, she was celebrating her graduation from kindergarten. Her children’s portrait session included several sets. We started with formal graduation pictures. Naturally, Sophia was shy at first, her mom encouraged her to move forward… and she…

Thursday, April 26, 2018

Abigail’s 2nd Birthday Cake Smash Session

Second Birthday Portrait Session Its never to late to do a Cake smash session for your little one! This is exactly what Abigail’s mom decided to do for her. When her mom reached out and ask if we only do First Birthday cake smashes, I replied “of course not”. Since Abigail’s birthday falls during spring…

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Yamarbi Lantigua

12:12 16 Jul 18

Angela is such a passionate photographer. That passion is obvious in the photos she takes and moments she captures. Her positive energy flows into every aspect of her work. Her work is simply amazing and unlike anything I have seen before. Her backdrops and outfits are truly GORGEOUS. I would definitely recommend her to anyone looking for a newborn and maternity session. You will not be disappointed at all.. thank you so much 💓

Stephanie Berti

15:28 23 Jun 18

Overall awesome experience even though my son wasn’t too happy about the cake. Angela was very patient and suggested some ideas to help calm my son. We definitely worked as a team and made it through the session. Angela got awesome shots! One wouldn’t believe he had meltdowns during his shoot. I also loved the theme set ups.. very spot on! I will consider coming back for his next major milestone!

Josephine Chiofalo

17:56 16 May 18

I had a wonderful experience. I had an appointment for one day but my baby was not cooperating so they rescheduled me which was very sweet of them. When I rescheduled at first my baby was not sleeping again which made me nervous, but then Angela was very patient and she did all that she could to help my baby fall asleep. However while he was awake she got many beautiful pictures that I loved. She was very professional, patient and comforting. She used all of the props and costumes that I asked and took her time. She even gave me suggestions that improved the images beyond my expectations. You can tell that she does everything she needs to do to make sure she got the perfect shot. She took wonderful care of my baby. I cannot wait to see how the pictures turned out and I look forward to working with her in the future. By far, my favorite photo shoot!

Farhana Kabir

12:10 22 Jul 18

I had a great experience working with Angela and Joe..Their professionalism is awesome. My son was sick during the photoshoot but they made it really easy for him. I am highly satisfied with their service.

lipstreet2

02:22 23 Apr 18

I went into our session thinking this will be easy. Boy was I wrong!!! My little princess was not having it. However, Joe our photographer tried his best to make us all comfortable. His patience and diligence is something to be admired. During the whole session I kept telling him how this was not turning out to be what I expected but he told me that this happens all of the time and it is something to be expected. He tried everything to accommodate my Princess. He tried toys, making funny sounds, YouTube and we even took a few breaks. Our session went over in time and he just let it be. I was so happy with him that words can not explain. I did leave disappointed in my princess but he reassured me that there definitely will be some good pictures. He told me that it would take a month to get the pictures but to my surprise I received them in 2 1/2 weeks. I opened the album and I couldn’t believe how many good shoots he was able to get. I am so happy with his work. He is amazing and I can’t wait to work with him in the future!!!!

Chenade Rennie

14:12 30 May 18

I was in desperate need of capturing my little man while he was still tiny, and stumbled upon "Picture Perfect NY" while doing a google search. BEST DECISION OF MY LIFE!!!!! The studio is extremely clean and very welcoming to both mom and baby. My son's photographer Angela is nothing short of amazing, both personality wise and as a photographer; she was extremely tender and patient with both me and my son, and was more than willing to clarify all of my concerns. The words of a million poets cannot explain how IMPRESSED and PLEASE I am with the service and not to mention my son's photos. With service like that I was bound to spend much more than I intended to, but I have no regrets because I would never put a price memories. I'm soooooo looking forward to doing his milestone shots with Picture Perfect NY, and I would strongly recommend using their services any day!!... i had an awesome experience!!!

Anna Raygorodsky

16:53 18 Sep 18

Picture Perfect was Perfect! We took our 3 year old boy for photos in their studio - he is naturally very shy and usually doesn't feel comfortable with people he just met. Joseph has an amazing ability to connect with toddlers and was able to make our son laugh. Everything went smoothly, the studio was set up prior to our arrival and all emails were answered within an hour. The only complaint we have is trying to pick the best photos from the raw gallery because every single picture is beautiful !!! We cant thank you enough for capturing this moment in our child's life - we will cherish this forever!

Jessica Storer

13:42 19 Sep 18

Joe recently photographed our maternity shoot. He was very professional and took some amazing shots we will remember as a family forever. Joe was super patient and helpful with our 3 year that it made our photography session very enjoyable. The photos were returned to us very quickly which was such a wonderful surprise. The pictures turned out amazing. We will definitely use them for our photography sessions in the future. So happy I found them.

Sandra DaRosa Photography

16:20 21 Sep 18

Newborn and Family Photography at its finest! I traveled all the way to NY from Haverhill, Ma....just near the Border of Southern NH for our family portraits! I heard Angela has trained with the best Newborn Photographers out there in the business and Joe has extensive experience in family and wedding photography. I first heard of Picture Perfect NY during a Photography workshop I attended in NY....I saw their work and fell in love! I have a family of 6 and I am a big girl ( and don’t like pictures of myself😣) and even though they are not babies, they are still a tough crowd....BUT NOT tough for Angela and Joe!! I LOVE LOVE LOVE our family pictures😍They made me feel beautiful and the images make me appear more slim just by the way I was posed!! I never thought I’d like a picture of myself again....But I was proven wrong😃We will be back....even though it takes us 4 hours to get there!❤️HIGHLY RECOMMENDED ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Sarah Gartenberg

19:40 21 Sep 18

Angela is amazing. We came back for our second newborn shoot after she took amazing photos of our oldest. She was thoughtful, patient and had great ideas for the different shots. It was hard to pick our favorites since she took such adorable photos. She also asked for our preferences in advance so everything was ready when we arrived. And she somehow magically captured a beautiful photo of our toddler cuddling up to our newborn. We will be back! Thanks so much, Angela! :-)

Eleonore G

13:08 25 Sep 18

My daughter had her newborn photo session at Picture Perfect. It was a great experience. Angela is very professional and knowledgeable. She has great ideas and vision. She decided on the accessories and poses for my baby and I was very impressed and satisfied with the outcome of the pictures. I am looking forward to my baby's next photo session with Picture Perfect in the near future.

kiran mushtaq

19:52 04 Oct 18

We just had an amazing experience at Picture Perfect NY. We took our daughter to her one year old cake smash session and my twin nephews for theirs. Our babies were really hard to work with, but Angela and her husband made sure to get best possible pictures of our babies. She was really patient and professional. Loved everything about our session.. the backdrops were amazing with beautful details.. just how I wanted it to be. Highly recommend this place for all kind of photo sessions. Hope to work with them in future again!

synah abenoja

15:56 22 Sep 18

We are very happy with the service that we received and will be recommending Picture Perfect to our family and friends. We were looking for a good quality family portrait for our wedding anniversary and a good friend recommended this studio. Joe is very professional and pleasant , he provide a fun easy atmosphere for all of us. I would definitely come back for the next big family event!

Afsheen Mahmood

06:45 23 Oct 18

After a wonderful photoshoot of our elder son, this time we went for our younger son which off course, was another pleasant outcome. We had already told what background we needed and it proved to be a good choice. Angela was pretty patient as usual and was able to get some very cute photos.

Valentina Virardi

22:29 25 Nov 18

This was my first time taking my daughter to take professional photos, she’s 4. It truly was a great experience. Both Joe and Angela were very patient and very kind. You can tell they are both very passionate about photography and they both love children. They made us feel very comfortable. They took amazing photos. They have such beautiful back drops and props. Joe made my daughter laugh the entire session. He made us laugh the entire session too. They are both truly amazing with kids. We are very thankful to them for such a great experience.

Trudi Russell

22:48 08 Dec 18

My experience with Angela and Joe was definitely one to remember. They made me feel so calm and at ease with their expertise in newborn photos and their props were everything! They dressed my 10 day old baby girl up so beautifully and even though I don’t have my prints yet, my experience and their attention to the smallest detail makes me confident in knowing that I am getting what I paid for, quality. I see this as an investment as a new mom who will have these prints for a lifetime. I would definitely recommend booking with Picture Perfect NY if you want a great experience and seemingly unmatched quality.

Angela Mera

16:01 17 Feb 19

Joe and Angela took the pictures for my daughter's newborn photoshoot. They were both very patient and gentle with her. You can tell both of them really enjoy their jobs and are enthusiastic and attentive when it came time to take the pictures. It's an amazing environment and I would definitely come back or recommend them to anyone who needs pictures of their kids.

Irene Liang

00:25 02 Mar 19

This is my third time taking pictures here and my second time working with Angela. Both Angela and Joe are both great, especially Angela who is very patient with both of my children and able to capture some amazing and cute pictures of my newborn. If you want amazing quality pictures and exceptional service, I’d definitely recommend Angela and Joe!

Anne Vasquez

19:30 06 Mar 19

We took our daughter for her first birthday cake smash and the photos came out stunning. They were easy to get in contact with via phone or email. The actual session experience was a lot easier then we expected. The set up for each picture was executed seamlessly from family photo, cake smash, to bath time photo. We had such a wonderful experience with Picture Perfect NY and I 100% recommend!

Michael Sanchez

16:35 18 Apr 19

We decided on picture perfect for our one year old’s cake smash photos. We emailed them a Mickey Mouse theme and decided to also do some family photos. Our photo set was ready to go upon arrival. Joseph was very personable and briefed us on what to expect. He was very patient with our baby and we received and assortment of amazing photos. I must also say we expected the standard family poses but we got some shots that were quite unique and we loved them. We will definitely be coming back for our special photo needs.

Adriana Ferrigno

23:56 29 May 19

Picture Perfect NY made our special day amazing! They went above and beyond when it came to calming my bridal nerves. Capturing that perfect picture of my husband and I along with many more. Joe also captured every special moment with all my guests and during the peak moments in the wedding which I never thought was possible. Joe and his wife were understanding and accommodating of my venue, guests and all my bridal parties needs. I cant wait till the next time I need photos, I highly recommend Picture Perfect NY.

Lupita Deras

03:25 06 Jun 19

I am very happy with the result I loved your photos my daughter and I felt very comfortable and in a very professional friendly atmosphere thank you very much 🙏 when my baby is born are a session with you too😊

Anh Nguyen

23:52 13 Jun 19

Angela's team is absolutely amazing and were very accommodating for our last minute booking for our newborn session with our baby boy at 7 days. Reasons why we loved working with Picture Perfect:- Very organized and detailed in their responses to our initial questions prior to booking.- Flexibility in their availability for the short notice on our booking and very clear and organized in their prep guide to facilitate a smooth session.- Very reasonable pricing for the "Cutie Pie" session (15 photos included, but we were so impressed with the work, we couldn't help but order additional photos on top of the original package!) and allowed for expediting each photo for a clearly stated fee so we could include in our birth announcement.- Angela's team did a stellar job at getting our little baby boy to fall asleep (allowing us to relax and catch a breather during the photo session) for the precious photos but above and beyond that, they were also able to get our little nervous chihuahua settled in the perfect positions needed for the most beautiful photos with our newborn! It's not easy to capture beloved pets and newborn babies in the most optimal, candid shots but this team was up to the task!- Highly professional during the session and in post production - the quality of their work, even with the raw images, were impressive and I would gladly work with them again for our baby at 6 months / 1 year for those special photos again.- Absolutely adorable props and accessories, baby clothing and backdrops!Thank you, Angela and the Picture Perfect Team!

Vanna McAuliffe

15:50 07 Jul 19

We had a good experience working with Picture Perfect. They were quick to respond and were even available to work on a holiday. There are many props and colors to work with. The team seems very experienced with babies, from soothing to changing diapers to feeding. The studio is clean and organized. Great place for professional photos for kids and families!

Kristen Tartaglione

01:44 16 Jul 19

We had a great experience with Angela and Joe. We are a repeat customer. Our newborn pictures came out so beautiful, I knew I wanted to use them for the first birthday pictures. I was worried we weren't going to get great pictures because my daughter was becoming tired but they got great shots. They were also able to accommodate the theme I wanted, which made me very happy. I would definitely recommend them to my friends.

Nanuka Kazhiloti

2019-03-29T03:23:13+0000

After 3 month of research and looking for professional newborn Photographer i finally found Angela and Joe. Words cant describe how glad I am to choose Them. Being a photographer is not only having a nice Camera ( unfortunately a lot of ppl think that way) u must have unique Vision, which i found in Angela. This couple are amazing, very friendly and most important professionals. I will highly recommend PPNY for any Photo session. Their work is Simply amazing. Thank you for capturing our Memory. 💙😍

Terri-Ann Brady

2018-12-25T03:30:55+0000

I had an amazing experience. Great set of people with an amazing sprit. They made everything very easy for my daughter and myself we felt right at home. I’m really excited to see the finish look on the photos.

Bernadette Elevado Garcia

2018-10-15T19:24:30+0000

Joe was very patient and professional. We had a great time and experience, especially my baby! I recommend Picture Perfect NY to all parents out there for a cake smash session �

Yamarby M. Lantigua

2018-07-16T12:15:26+0000

Michelle Casas

2018-06-04T18:15:47+0000

What a great experience. I felt very comfortable with Angela. She was very patient and kind with my baby girl. She answered all my questions and made the entire process easy. I recommend Picture Perfect to anyone.

Bianca Vee

2018-06-03T04:28:00+0000

If you’re looking for professional photographs, taken by people who care about their work and actually deliver, LOOK NO FURTHER. My daughter was not into her cake smash session for her first birthday, but somehow they managed to capture smiles. I swore she barely smiled, but Angela and Joseph took patience and care, and were able to capture memories that I will keep for a lifetime. Thank you for making my daughters first birthday all the more memorable!

Alex Kandelaki

2018-01-09T20:22:40+0000

Marc Edward Rolla

2017-08-19T13:46:40+0000

We had an excellent experience at picture perfect, NY! Angela was amazing with our baby by being so gentle and caring. She answered all of our questions and was so gracious. Thank you! We are so excited to see the pictures! Sincerely, Marc and Christina

Rita Shats

2017-04-21T02:42:07+0000

The most professional and reliable people I have ever worked with! Not to mention, their amazing personalities!!

Antonio Serrano

2017-03-12T03:06:19+0000

The patience and dedication that this couple has with our baby is amazing. Their work and vision for the photos leave us in awe each and every time we visit. So thankful for capturing memories of our baby that will last a lifetime.

Danielle Marie

2017-01-10T13:35:15+0000

What an amazing husband and wife team!! Not only did they treat us like family but they were excellent with our newborn

Jennifer Estrada Emmenes

2016-12-14T22:42:28+0000

Angela and Joe were so wonderful. I didn't realize that newborn pics are taken so soon after birth. I was worried I missed our chance. Lucky Angela got back to me immediately and was able to squeeze us in to get pics. She was so great with our daughter who didn't fuss at all with her. She asked what colors I wanted, but I wanted to trust her judgement. I'm so glad I did. I loved every pic!!! I only wish we had gotten a bigger package! lol I highly recommend Picture Perfect for anyone who wants to capture their newborn in the sweetest pics!

Mashal Syed

2016-10-16T16:07:14+0000

AnnaMaria Wagner

2016-08-28T00:27:28+0000

From the very first contact with Angela and Joe, my husband and I knew we made the right choice. They were so prompt with responding to our emails and very informative & professional. We had our son's newborn photo session last week and cannot wait to see all the pictures! Angela was so great with our boy and extremely patient! It truly showed that she loves what she does and is very dedicated. My husband & I wanted a specific pose of our son and he was awake so the picture was difficult to capture. However, Angela kindly waited a long while for him to fall asleep so she could capture the photo we desired! It was perfect. We are so grateful we found Picture Perfect and would recommend them in a heartbeat. Thank you for giving us beautiful memories we can treasure forever!

Albelina Morillo

2016-04-29T14:23:21+0000

Thank you for the great pictures of my 1 year old daughter. I'm in love with the family portrait and the smash the cake pictures + her Cinderella inspired shoot came out so beautiful. Hope to work again with both of you in the future!!!

Stas Furman

2016-01-14T17:15:29+0000

Great People! Wonderful experience! Amazing pictures! Highly recommend!

Mariam Avagyan

2015-12-04T03:27:45+0000

Erika Karina Vega

2015-12-02T06:00:41+0000

Exelente Totalmente Profesionales Me Encantó Todo Las Fotos Y Decoración

Vicky Arias-Peña

2015-11-04T20:53:51+0000

We had a great experience, and would recommend picture perfect to our family & friends.

Vidiola Rusi

2015-09-19T02:29:21+0000

They are Just amazing that's all i can say .,,,,,,

Sabrina Romano Barone

2015-08-05T00:01:35+0000

Chaneen Thomas

2015-07-06T03:18:59+0000

Such a wonderful experience!!! Very wonderful people that make you feel comfortable from the very start!! I had my sons newborn photos done here and I was blown away!!! They are excellent when working with babies and children in general!!! My little princess just had her 6 month photo shoot here and I was pleased once again!!!! Great people providing outstanding service!!!!

Christopher Bernard

2015-06-21T04:31:17+0000

Kerly Lovos

2015-06-10T23:19:52+0000

Xiaoxi Ding

2015-04-14T15:04:12+0000

Although we did not get our photo, I'm sure they are awesome because Angela and Joe are so patient and professional. I'll come back to review.

Angela Bernard

2015-03-16T14:12:48+0000

Top notch photographers! We're prepared for everything! Fun and very engaging .. Will be a returning client!

Cande Blackwood

2015-02-23T03:01:37+0000

Very good photography... Love the pics taken of my daughter

Klavdia Motsenyat

2015-02-18T05:25:05+0000

Was pleasure to work with you @ First Garry's Birthday Celebration.

Anatoly Gnip

2015-02-15T04:51:29+0000

Helen Shikhman

2015-01-30T02:31:12+0000

Zhanna Liberchuk

2015-01-16T05:01:18+0000

Randy Bailey

2014-12-18T23:55:42+0000

Very very nice people and great business. Would definitely recommend to everyone!

Tiffany Dunbar Bailey

2014-12-16T21:42:45+0000

Doraliz Mangano

2014-12-10T03:42:32+0000

Lori Ward

2014-11-03T18:20:01+0000

Alla Pisarevskaya

2014-10-31T17:44:45+0000

Marina KA

2014-10-06T19:46:42+0000

Great service, great prices , friendly atmosphere, pleasure to work with.

Steven Shikhman

2014-10-01T02:00:05+0000

Great service, great experience couldn't ask for more. Very professional. Very prompt.

Mildred Diaz

2014-09-25T06:02:19+0000

Loved the pictures taken of my Grandson Jacob! Thank you for such a job well done.

Nilsa Betancourt Eppolito

2014-09-16T00:36:06+0000

I would like to thank picture perfect for our lovely photos of our son Jacob. Joe and Angela were a pleasure. They handled our son wonderfully and took their time getting the photos just right!

Debbie Eppolito

2014-09-13T15:22:30+0000

Jessica Johnston Myers

2014-09-12T13:24:39+0000

Olga Vaks

2014-09-01T02:59:18+0000

We would like to thank Picture Perfect for amazing pictures and trully a great experience! !!! Can't wait to do more pictures, you guys are so awesome we will highly recommend you to all of our friends and anyone who want to have there family or there events pictures taken. Thank you for everything.

Floriana Sheykina

2014-08-18T21:03:25+0000

We had an amazing experience at Picture Perfect. Angela is a professional baby whisperer! My daughter cooperated the entire photo shoot and the pictures turned out amazing! We bought an entire year package as a result of the quality of work.

Elizabeth Aleksanov

2014-08-04T19:11:00+0000

Saifan Man

2014-07-28T17:23:59+0000

Jennifer Isabel

2014-06-07T16:05:58+0000

Inna Huber

2014-05-24T19:45:22+0000

Victoria Ianno

2014-04-07T01:50:35+0000

Su Ku

2014-03-26T03:10:16+0000

Angela and Joe are such a great team! Angela has an awesome eye for styling and she is so wonderfully careful with the babies while she is positioning them. Joe gets every shot and the pictures really do come out so great! They are extremely reasonably priced especially once you see their work! They are highly recommended and I'm so glad that we found them!

Jo Blyak

2014-01-24T04:21:34+0000

Josephine Del Ponte Dato

2013-12-30T04:46:55+0000

You will never be disappointed with Angela and Joe. They are a great team and love and enjoy what they do.

Anna Doniza

2013-12-12T18:46:20+0000

Dora Falberg

2013-12-03T02:36:27+0000

Yuriy Kapelnik

2013-11-08T14:11:53+0000

Jessica Gripper

2013-10-27T21:59:31+0000

Malik Lambert

2013-10-27T16:38:18+0000

Wendy K Pandy

2013-10-18T15:28:10+0000

Dmitriy Falberg

2013-10-18T15:06:41+0000

Jane Mardukhayev

2013-10-16T02:26:08+0000

Gregg Kravchuk

2013-10-13T00:00:38+0000

Jane Roitman

2013-10-12T04:34:14+0000

Rosanna Chaaya

2013-10-05T15:39:42+0000

Stella Entelis

2013-09-28T02:12:59+0000

Juliana Breyt

2013-09-28T01:22:28+0000

Jolina A Pascal

2013-09-28T00:10:42+0000

Judy Daskal

2013-09-22T20:08:04+0000

Galina Zhertin

2013-08-13T19:38:36+0000

Diana Sorkin

2013-08-12T20:26:24+0000

Svetlana Barskaya

2013-07-22T22:28:31+0000

Alexis Ortiz

2013-07-17T22:01:30+0000

Lena Polishchuk

2013-07-11T02:18:55+0000

Florence K.

2018-07-04 10:51:36

Picture Perfect is a photography studio run by Angela and Joseph (husband and wife) based in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn. We had such an amazing experience...

Hailey H.

2018-07-13 09:46:52

I love this place,it's amazing. The stuff is very nice and professional. When My daughter turns one year old,I will come again! I can't wait to see the...

Kenny A.

2018-07-04 11:05:23

We had our daughter's newborn shoot and cake smash session with Picture Perfect and will definitely return for any future photo sessions. I had a specific...

Michelle Y.

2018-09-05 16:11:20

I love my newborn photos taken by Picture Perfect. Angela and Joseph are very professional and I hope to use them again in the future!

Afsheen L.

2018-10-22 23:29:23

After a wonderful photoshoot of our elder son, this time we went for our younger son which off course, was another pleasant outcome.

Charleen G.

2018-12-04 09:31:54

Best Photographers in NY , they are very friendly with the children and they have very fast service and they explain everything to you. They are very...

Trudi R.

2018-12-08 14:45:47

My experience with Angela and Joe was definitely one to remember. They made me feel so calm and at ease with their expertise in newborn photos and their...

Anton T.

2019-04-01 10:42:07

We are happy we booked Joseph & Angela to take photos of our newborn. Joseph entertains the parents well and Angela is very focused on the baby. They are a...

Anh N.

2019-06-13 16:50:44

Angela's team is absolutely amazing and were very accommodating for our last minute booking for our newborn session with our baby boy at 7 days. Reasons why...

Daniel M.

2019-07-07 07:17:34

We had a good experience working with Picture Perfect. They were quick to respond and were even available to work on a holiday. There are many props and...

Kristen T.

2019-07-15 18:46:02

We had a great experience with Angela and Joe. We are a repeat customer. Our newborn pictures came out so beautiful, I knew I wanted to use them for the...